‘If I Had Legs I might Kick You’ Director Mary Bronstein — Interview


It’s most likely low on the record of truths universally acknowledged, however you can’t direct hamsters.

The truth that the small rodents don’t take care of marks, blocking, or the significance of constructing a capturing day is among the many challenges that author and director Mary Bronstein set for herself to tug off within the Oscar-nominated “If I Had Legs I’d Kick You.” However there are alternatives, in each filmmaking roles, for catharsis — and for hamster carnage.

Enter Smores, the hamster that struggling mom Linda (Finest Actress nominee Rose Byrne) buys for her sick daughter (Delaney Quinn) out of desperation. Linda, after all, instantly regrets the acquisition, even earlier than they will get the critter again to the seaside motel the place they’re staying due to a catastrophic (and presumably existential) condominium leak in their very own house.

Smores meets a grizzly destiny when he will get unfastened within the automobile, after which bolts throughout the highway in a doomed bid for freedom. The sequence is a loadstone for the tone of “If I Had Legs I’d Kick You” — darkly, absurdly humorous, sharply claustrophobic, and with a sort of poignant inescapability to it, too.

Bronstein based mostly her cinematic hamster on one her personal daughter talked her and her husband (“Marty Supreme” Oscar nominee Ronald Bronstein) into shopping for. “It was one of many worst choices that ever acquired made,” Bronstein joked on a latest episode of IndieWire’s Filmmaker Toolkit Podcast. “His identify was Max. He was an outsider. He would sleep all day, and as quickly as my daughter would fall asleep, he could be like, ‘Social gathering time!’ He’d come out, and he would do monkey bars forwards and backwards on high of his cage, like he was bulking up for some plan.”

What occurs within the film is a fantasy, wish-fulfillment revenge on Max (Bronstein finally took the true hamster again to the pet store). In fact, no hamsters have been harmed within the making of “If I Had Legs I’d Kick You.” However as soon as in director mode, Bronstein and her workforce had to determine tips on how to notice the instructions she’d written into the script — that Smores, escaping from his field, would scream like Jack Nicholson breaking by means of the lavatory door in “The Shining.”

“As quickly as I wrote that, I knew it needed to be that. And I additionally knew you possibly can by no means get a hamster to do this. I needed to make a sensible film. This film has fairly plenty of particular results and surrealist components, however I needed it to be virtually performed. So which means, on this occasion, puppets,” Bronstein mentioned. “We’ve 5 or 6 totally different hamster puppets. The screaming hamster is its personal puppet. However Rose Byrne was truly driving the automobile; we had puppeteers mendacity on the ground of the backseat and the amazingly proficient Delaney Quinn coping with these puppets. It was the 2 days on set we laughed essentially the most.”

Victor Broadley, Alan Scott, and Jason Matthews from Legacy Results insisted on touring with the hamster puppets on their lap to make the sequence occur. “They took the puppets on the airplane, from LA to New York, on their very own dime. We couldn’t afford to fly them out. That is how devoted they have been to bringing this concept to life, and that’s why it turned out that method — as a result of I lucked into artisans that cared about this concept that a lot.”

The loss of life of Smores (Bronstein nonetheless has one of many puppets in her workplace) isn’t near the worst factor that occurs in Linda’s terrible, rotten, no good, very unhealthy life over the course of “If I Had Legs I’d Kick You,” nevertheless it’s an excellent instance of the sort of technical complexity that may go into visualizing Bronstein’s concepts. That features a de-evolution of Linda’s clothes within the costume design, the suffocating lack of perspective supplied by the movie’s option to shoot principally in close-ups, or what the casting of somebody like Conan O’Brien can do to hassle the cliches that movie and tv connect to remedy and therapists.

IF I HAD LEGS I'D KICK YOU, from left:  Conan O'Brien, Rose Byrne, 2025. © A24 /Courtesy Everett Collection
‘If I Had Legs I’d Kick You’Courtesy Everett Assortment

“Remedy on movie and tv may be very irritating, as a result of it’s so clear and so arc-ed out. The therapist is ideal indirectly — Judd Hirsch in a cardigan is the head.  Robin Williams even copies him in ‘Good Will Searching.’ That’s the identical efficiency. It’s the identical therapist,” Bronstein mentioned. “ That man cares about you past the borders and partitions of his moral duties and job. He’ll meet you in a park within the chilly, and he’ll let you know a private story. These therapists that do which might be unhealthy therapists. Therapists don’t do this.”

Whereas listening to O’Brien’s podcast, “Conan O’Brien Wants a Buddy,” Bronstein thought he actually had an excellent, critical therapist voice, however needed to complicate it by giving him a therapist character that doesn’t get listened to and doesn’t give nice recommendation. Bronstein labored with O’Brien for a few 12 months over Zooms and “a bootcamp scenario” in Los Angeles as a way to give O’Brien a few of the instruments and suggestions he’d must play somebody as withholding, burnt out, and insular as Linda’s therapist.

“ He was so open and trusting and susceptible to take a danger and do one thing that he hadn’t performed. He mentioned to me, ‘This scares me to loss of life, and that’s why I’m gonna do it.’ That’s the spirit of the entire film,” Bronstein mentioned. “ I method my filmmaking in that method the place it’s like, ‘I don’t wish to— I name it making films about films. Everyone knows what a film is. You may make that film. We’ve seen that film. That’s anti what I wish to be doing.”

What Bronstein does, from casting to sensible results to cinematography, is try to discover new configurations that make us bear in mind how thrilling every of the instruments of filmmaking as soon as was, even whereas telling a narrative of one of many self-embattled and myopic ladies on movie. “I feel we settled into one thing very boring. Let’s use (the instruments). That’s the place the spirit (of the movie) was coming from,” she mentioned.

To listen to Mary Bronstein‘s full interview, subscribe to the Filmmaker Toolkit podcast on Apple, Spotifyor your favourite podcast platform. It’s also possible to watch it on the video on the high of this web page, or on IndieWire’s YouTube web page.



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